The following interesting exchange was found in the comments section at the Vox Popoli blog.
Joshua_D July 27, 2016 12:19 PM
Is there even anyone left in America who is 100% English colonist on both sides?
What’s weird is that the whole notion of “whites” is a pure quill invention of the SJW left. … In that sense the “white nation” is every bit as much a proposition as the idea of a Christian or a Constitutional one. The only difference is whether it’s a “better” one.
No it’s not. The notion of white existed long before SJWs did. You’ve heard of the concept of ethnogenesis before, right? Just because “white” once upon a time didn’t mean anything specific doesn’t mean that it doesn’t now, especially in an American context. You keep talking about French and Germans and Poles and stuff. What does that have to do with white Americans?
WATYF hit the nail on the head—my ancestry is almost entirely of British provenance, going back to the 1600s. But the almost is meaningful. What we’ve seen over the last few centuries was the ethnogenesis of a new people, white American, and before the ethnogenesis was even complete, it was threatened by mass immigration from Eastern Europe and Southern Europe.
Which is exactly why the immigration acts of 1875, 1882, 1917, 1921 and 1924 were passed, including the very sensible Asiatic Barred Zone and the National Origins formula. Even as far back as the 1790 Naturalization Act recognized the ethnogenesis of the white American.”
26. WATYF July 27, 2016 12:05 PM Is there even anyone left in America who is 100% English colonist on both sides?
OK. So those are the only “Americans”? How many are we talking? Tens or hundreds of thousands?”
@26 Yes, I am. There is still a large group of us here in Greater Appalachia. We are the only group that still calls ourselves Americans instead of some hybrid bastardization. ”
Bobby Farr July 27, 2016 12:47 PM
Old stock whites. That is as precise of a definition as you need. You wouldn’t reject the existence of the English because the [sic] couldn’t define themselves exactly as x% Anglo, y% Saxon, z% Celt, etc. If you read pre-1930 nativist lit, you see that the definition has been widely studied and understood for a long time.”
Johnny wrote: The country was also to small to defend itself against the predatory European powers of the day. To fix that problem they opened the immigration gates to more or less anybody who was white and Northern European . The main outcome was that the area west of the Appalachian Mountains filled full of Central European types, along with lesser numbers of other groups. So far that has turned out well enough.’
This is all false. We had no hordes of immigrants until the 1840’s when the scum of Ireland and Germany invaded our shores. The area west of the Appalachians and east of the Mississippi was settled by Northern English, Lowland Scots and Ulster Scots, not “Central Europeans”. The Central Europeans who came later did not understand the rights passed down by the Founders and have worked ever since to destroy them.”
The above is an example of the kinds of debates that take place whenever White Americans discuss the question of national identity, the ‘proposition nation’, and the question of White America’s ethnic/national origins.
Read any pre-politically correct history book, or any History/Civics textbook from before the mid-20th century, and you will read a much simpler version of our origins: America was settled primarily by English colonists, though there were smaller numbers of other European colonists. It was, however, the English colonies which formed the basis of the American States and the Union of those states, which, independent of England, became the country we know, the U.S.A.
It was the English colonies and their culture and traditions, based solidly in the British Isles (Ireland being a lesser component), that formed the traditional American culture and folkways. The Spanish colony at St. Augustine, notwithstanding its earlier provenance, made a negligible contribution to this country and its culture — as well as to the common gene pool. Likewise the Spanish colonies in the Southwest. Likewise for the Swedish colony or the New Amsterdam colony — the latter two being more or less absorbed by the English colonists ultimately.
When the wave of Ellis Island immigrants began in earnest America had a longtime established culture and way of life.
All in all, America would still be America as we know it despite the minor contributions of the other-than-English groups. It’s shocking to hear this said in this day and age of immigrant veneration and diversitolatry, but it’s true, nonetheless.
In our drive to be ‘inclusive’ and to make the latecomers feel ‘welcome’, along with the recent obsession with ”fairness” we have romanticized and sentimentalized immigration and the immigrants themselves, at the expense of facts, and to the detriment of the original stock Americans, without whose ancestors this country would not exist as we know it, or perhaps would not exist at all.
Am I biased? Certainly, but no more so than the immigration enthusiasts and the ethnic advocates who relentlessly promote their group(s) at the expense of the interests of colonial stock Anglo-Americans.
We have heard from all the ethnic groups ad nausaeum for some time now, with hardly a voice speaking up for English-descended (or British-Isles descended) Americans. Is it not only fair that our side be heard, too?
It seems, unfortunately, that even right-wing, semi-nationalist Americans have bought into the multicultural America propaganda. The fact that they believe America is, was, or should be a Euro-multicult society is not much comfort.
Still, this is the reality of our very mixed America in the 21st century.